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in fact all three of the the money could have gone to pay down the deficit and frankly the deficit is not that big a deal the united states debt as a percentage of g.d.p. is not all that different from most of the developed countries in the world the hysteria that going back in the seventy's a republican strategist juden is key said whenever republicans are in office run up the debt whenever democrats come into office scream about the debt and so that you can force the democrats to cut the social programs and that's what's been going on we've been seeing as the script played out for thirty years but the money could have been used for things like making solid medicare it could have been used for getting the guns off the streets it could've been used for building our schools it could have been used for rebuilding our crumbling roads of a lot of things that could have been used for you right it sounds like so many issues are just going in circles guns campaign finance reform the fiscal cliff where does that stop tom. i think it stops in revolution and i don't mean that in the violence. b
in fact all three of the the money could have gone to pay down the deficit and frankly the deficit is not that big a deal the united states debt as a percentage of g.d.p. is not all that different from most of the developed countries in the world the hysteria that going back in the seventy's a republican strategist juden is key said whenever republicans are in office run up the debt whenever democrats come into office scream about the debt and so that you can force the democrats to cut the...
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans that might be an avenue of success? >> there -- those conversations and discussions continue. and we remain hopeful that that will get a breakthrough. on veryiously, what had happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. so hopefully, the discussions between the vice president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track, hopefully get a breakthrough and something we can vote on, hopefully today or tomorrow that will avert what we believe will be an economic di
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans...
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reporter: republicans say to be fair, the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i've said is i am prepared to do everything i can to make sure that medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock, he remains optimistic but also asserted democracy is messy. >> one way or another, we'll get through this. do i wish that things were more orderly in washington and rat n rational and people listened to the best arguments and compromised and operated in more thoughtful and organized fashion? absolutely. but when you look at history, that's -- that's been the exception rather than the norm. >> that was nbc's kristin welker reporting there. >>> now for a look at your new year's eve weather, here's nbc meteorologist bill karins. good morning you to. is it too early to say happy new year's? >> no. why not? >> happy new year's eve. happy new year's eve. >> let's go there. this is it. cold a
reporter: republicans say to be fair, the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i've said is i am prepared to do everything i can to make sure that medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock, he remains optimistic but also asserted democracy is messy. >>...
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the eu is giving madrid more time to get its deficits in line. reductions in health spending are only part of the total to save, but the symbolic value of cutting medical care is great, and so is public anger. >> the son of pakistan's former prime minister has made his first political address. he told party supporters that he would carry forward his mother's legacy, saying that she had sacrificed her life for democracy. benazir bhutto was killed in a gun and bomb attack during her 2007 campaign. >> in student was brutally gang rape on a bus earlier this month, and the prime minister promised to review rape laws and punishments. demonstrators again took to the streets today, calling on the chief of the police department to step down. the government has also ordered an inquiry into the police handling of the case. meanwhile, the young woman whose case sparked the protests has flown to singapore for treatment. her situation remains critical. and internet where there are no political restrictions or government fire walls and were free discussion is t
the eu is giving madrid more time to get its deficits in line. reductions in health spending are only part of the total to save, but the symbolic value of cutting medical care is great, and so is public anger. >> the son of pakistan's former prime minister has made his first political address. he told party supporters that he would carry forward his mother's legacy, saying that she had sacrificed her life for democracy. benazir bhutto was killed in a gun and bomb attack during her 2007...
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> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i said is i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock he remains optimistic but asserted democracy is messi. >> one way or another we'll get through this. do i wish that things were more orderly in washington? and ration enamel? and people listened to the best arguments and compromised and operate in a more thoughtful and organized fashion? absolutely. when you look at history that's the exception rather than the norm. >> now here is your "first look" at politics. long lines in florida discouraged 49,000 people in voting. on "meet the press" tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our election and lawmakers sent to washington. >> the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerry mandered districts in which they
> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i said is i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock he remains optimistic but asserted democracy is messi. >> one way or...
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deficit and debt problem that actually things would be ok, not as abad adds we think. many of the issues don't kick in on january 1, they kick in later in the year, maybe as late as july or august, so politicians actually have time to sort out some of the key issues. nonetheless, the politicians, in particular president obama and i think the key leaders of the democratic party and the republican party here of the congress, they really don't want to be the ones sitting in the top offices when washington couldn't stop the ut from going through what could be a very, very potentially serious budget crisis. >> all right. keeping an eye on those important negotiations for us in the senate. thanks so much. >>> 21 policeman have been found dead in northwest pakistan after being kidnapped by the taliban last week. one man managed to escape arks --, and audio is fighting for his life in hospital. >> fighting for his life in a peshawar hospital, one of two survivors of an attack in the tribal region. 21 of his colleagues were captured at this check point and two others like it la
deficit and debt problem that actually things would be ok, not as abad adds we think. many of the issues don't kick in on january 1, they kick in later in the year, maybe as late as july or august, so politicians actually have time to sort out some of the key issues. nonetheless, the politicians, in particular president obama and i think the key leaders of the democratic party and the republican party here of the congress, they really don't want to be the ones sitting in the top offices when...
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the budget of the president, $5.3 trillion deficit. people understand that. they know about his war on fossil fuels. here we are in a position of having the most recoverable fossil fuels reserves of any country in the world. we could be totally independent in a matter of weeks, and he won't let us develop our own resources. those are three things what he is doing to the military and all of that, that people are aware of. they are not aware of the cost of the regulations that he has. now, i would just use three of the regulations he was putting off until after the election. one having to do with the boiler mac. it was the regulations on boilers. every manufacturer has a boiler. that would be $63 billion cost in taxes and 800,000 jobs. coal the same way. he actually did away with coal by having an emissions requirement where there is no technology that will reach it. that will be 1.65 million. the reason i mention these, i could be talking about a lot of different regulations. but if you add up these three regulations, that would be $100
the budget of the president, $5.3 trillion deficit. people understand that. they know about his war on fossil fuels. here we are in a position of having the most recoverable fossil fuels reserves of any country in the world. we could be totally independent in a matter of weeks, and he won't let us develop our own resources. those are three things what he is doing to the military and all of that, that people are aware of. they are not aware of the cost of the regulations that he has. now, i...
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they want to talk about the debt, they want to talk about the deficit. they want to talk about simpson/bowles, they want to talk about this and that. it's not revenue, it's spending, it's not the speaker, it's the president. it's fantasy land. somebody needs to get in the republican party that can actually make a deal, negotiate with democrats, the president and the vice president and get something done. we do not have to go over the cliff. we can stop this if the republicans are serious about governing this country. >> and welcome to fantasy island. joining us now from washington, we have republican representative from oklahoma, congressman tom cole. congressman, thank you very much for coming back on the show this morning. >> thank you, mika. >> we also have ed rendell still with us, san deanor, dr. hensac in washington as well as michael steele in washington. so we have a great panel to talk to you, congressman, this morning. you were the guy willing to cut a deal, i think at that $250,000 limit. i don't know how ostracized you got from your party on
they want to talk about the debt, they want to talk about the deficit. they want to talk about simpson/bowles, they want to talk about this and that. it's not revenue, it's spending, it's not the speaker, it's the president. it's fantasy land. somebody needs to get in the republican party that can actually make a deal, negotiate with democrats, the president and the vice president and get something done. we do not have to go over the cliff. we can stop this if the republicans are serious about...
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weeks the republicans and democrats have been trying to reach a deal on how to reduce the national deficit if they don't billions of dollars in tax hikes and spending cuts automatically come into effect on january the first activist and journalist says it's not the deadlock that bothers him but what has already been agreed upon. the real problem in my eyes is not the fact that they can't reach an agreement but rather that they have reached an agreement on many fundamental things the grievance they have reached is that neither of them are going to advocate to put more money in the hands of working people they have no problem whatsoever removing a trillion dollars or two trillion dollars from the economy and delivering it to the bankers they did that inside of twenty days back in two thousand and eight and again in two thousand and nine with very little discussion. everyone agrees on both sides of the aisle that sums sort of reduction in benefits from social security and medicare is inevitable quote unquote well you know the rest of us don't believe that it's inevitable or even that it's nec
weeks the republicans and democrats have been trying to reach a deal on how to reduce the national deficit if they don't billions of dollars in tax hikes and spending cuts automatically come into effect on january the first activist and journalist says it's not the deadlock that bothers him but what has already been agreed upon. the real problem in my eyes is not the fact that they can't reach an agreement but rather that they have reached an agreement on many fundamental things the grievance...
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republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a little early. so, is the mood moving in the direction of a deal? is that what -- because it seemed like pessimism sort of toward the late afternoon yesterday. where are we right now, quickly? >> reporter: it does fluctuate. there is exasperation and frustration, especially from members here waiting to vote on something but have nothing to look at. they are wanting to see something done. the people closest to it tell us they are still working at it, that they see there isn't one particular issue that would make this all fall apart, but they're not there y
republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a...
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we need to reduce our deficit. and so it's important to ask folks at the very top to go back to paying their clinton-era rates on the amount of income above $ 250,000. and tom was right about that. >> i'm not trying to get him into trouble. i don't see it that way. you couldn't get me in any more trouble. but seriously, republicans need to step back here, take a breath and say, look, we couldn't make the bush tax cuts permanent for anybody, when bush was press we had both houses. we're on the verge of getting at least 80%, maybe more, for at least 98% of the american people. that's a huge win. and once that revenue is off the table it's going to be very hard for democrats to ever put it back on the table. it actually forces them towards spending and entitlement reform in places they're historically uncomfortable. >> chris would you be more comfortable if we went back to those rates to consider a simpson-bowles overall tax reform? is that just gone? you know, the rate there was 28%. once you get back to 39% isn't it
we need to reduce our deficit. and so it's important to ask folks at the very top to go back to paying their clinton-era rates on the amount of income above $ 250,000. and tom was right about that. >> i'm not trying to get him into trouble. i don't see it that way. you couldn't get me in any more trouble. but seriously, republicans need to step back here, take a breath and say, look, we couldn't make the bush tax cuts permanent for anybody, when bush was press we had both houses. we're on...
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we have to make cuts in budgets because we're dealing with a record debt in deficit. but if he wants to talk about consistency, perhaps he can explain why his own members of the european parliament voted against the budget freeze that we achieved last year. perhaps he could explain why the socialist group the european parliament are calling not for a freeze in the budget or an increase, but for a $200 billion euro increase in the budget. and while they're at it, they want to get rid of the rest of the economic rebate. >> reality is this -- he can't convince anyone in europe. last year he flounced out of the december negotiations with a veto and the agreement went ahead anyway. he throwed in the towel even before heeze -- he's gun. he's week abroad. he's week at home. he's john major all over again. >> a few hours later the common debate on the e.u. budget began in earnest. >> now, i think this multiannual framework, the e.u. budget a simple word to use is insane. to ask for a 10% real increase above inflation is insulting to our constituents. it's insulting to the peo
we have to make cuts in budgets because we're dealing with a record debt in deficit. but if he wants to talk about consistency, perhaps he can explain why his own members of the european parliament voted against the budget freeze that we achieved last year. perhaps he could explain why the socialist group the european parliament are calling not for a freeze in the budget or an increase, but for a $200 billion euro increase in the budget. and while they're at it, they want to get rid of the rest...
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budget policies in many different areas amount of money that it can do it can spend to deal with the deficit but of course the problem itself in europe is of course austerity and that's hurting it creating a lot of unemployment it's creating a very severe recession so arlen's medicine that they're taking and partly suffering from but they're getting on with it isn't really vital for the rest of europe so if they're going to be driving forward the agenda in the european union for the next six months that's not the. economic problems and indeed ireland is one of the most problematic as you say of the troubled states and has not got enough to deal with without holding the e.u. presidency as well at this stage. well yes it does have a great deal of challenges in the you of course the budget situation in europe in the european union isn't sorted out yet the whole situation regarding britain's membership is coming to the fore britain of course maybe will be having a referendum at some point on britain's terms of membership all these issues need to be discussed and agreed in the forthcoming year an
budget policies in many different areas amount of money that it can do it can spend to deal with the deficit but of course the problem itself in europe is of course austerity and that's hurting it creating a lot of unemployment it's creating a very severe recession so arlen's medicine that they're taking and partly suffering from but they're getting on with it isn't really vital for the rest of europe so if they're going to be driving forward the agenda in the european union for the next six...
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its economic position, driving away tourists and investors, stopping growth and pushing up the state deficit. that israel has approved the construction of 940 new homes -- >> israel has approved the construction of 940 new homes on the outskirts of jerusalem. for palestinians, the land as part of east jerusalem, which would serve as the capital of a future state. they say settlements there violate international law, but israel says it is an integral part of jerusalem, which it sees as its own capital. israel has been pressing ahead with plans to expand settlements since the palestinians were granted observer status at the u.n. to russia has put in place the last section of an oil pipeline from eastern siberia to the pacific. that is a link up that is now almost 5,000 kilometers long. >> the massive project is russia's oil fields direct access to key markets in japan, south korea, taiwan, the philippines, and the usa. >> after six years of construction and around 21 billion euros, the pipeline is complete. russia hopes it will be able to expand sales into the u.s. market. it also wants to sel
its economic position, driving away tourists and investors, stopping growth and pushing up the state deficit. that israel has approved the construction of 940 new homes -- >> israel has approved the construction of 940 new homes on the outskirts of jerusalem. for palestinians, the land as part of east jerusalem, which would serve as the capital of a future state. they say settlements there violate international law, but israel says it is an integral part of jerusalem, which it sees as its...
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finance our deficits. and this is precisely how it worked. and the trouble was -- and if you want to understand exactly how the capital gains profits were attracted to the united states -- there are some key elements. there were some key elements. one was the proliferation of blue-collar workers in united states. that kept prices low. even with the oil crisis, prices in the united states rose more slowly than they did in japan or europe. so, if you were japanese or german, the profits, where do you invest them? where do you keep them? you keep them with the low inflation rate. that is one reason. one mechanism that helps attract the capital from the rest of the world and close the loop. wall street was another. it has an amazing capacity to create a metaphysical value out of nothing. walmart was another. is promoted the ideology of cheapness, which was calculated so brilliantly. nobody needs a gallon of pickles. i don't think it fits in a fridge. why was walmart producing it? i think it was a symbolic gest
finance our deficits. and this is precisely how it worked. and the trouble was -- and if you want to understand exactly how the capital gains profits were attracted to the united states -- there are some key elements. there were some key elements. one was the proliferation of blue-collar workers in united states. that kept prices low. even with the oil crisis, prices in the united states rose more slowly than they did in japan or europe. so, if you were japanese or german, the profits, where do...
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for example who are living in cairo to vote in cairo like in the nineteenth of march so we had this deficit of one million people but if we compare the numbers of referendum who won't find any differences. but figures suggest only around hull of all egyptians support the islamists so how do you intend to gain greater backing. while. again again please all right we have reports and figures in general peter gration of course the figures suggest only around hustle all egyptians in your country support there is limits how do you intend to gain greater backing. we are going to gain. this by by by time you see a lot of people are already entered by what is in the media and our media is against the islamic. parties but by time people would see how we deal with the problems and i think this willing to use our popularity in the coming. in the coming election i see also the muslim brotherhood your party has been known for its anti israel views has that position now changed probably all can we expect increased tension now between the neighboring countries egypt and israel . we don't we don't have inte
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created this cliff situation when they failed to agree on a budget that would help the country reduce its deficit and its your mongers debt and what they did was what they usually do they put off those important decisions and full circle deadline that deadline is now so we came up with this theory word cliff to create lots of drama around what should be the ordinary maybe somewhat boring were. working process of any congress or telamon that is to agree on a budget the need to deadlines so the cliff which actually describes the mode in which the congress is working their inability to make decisions until the very very last minute the cliff that u.s. lawmakers have artificially created could become very real for the american people the vast majority of them over one thousand government programs would be cut it would hit the unemployed very hard stop getting unemployment benefits there would be other automatic cuts and tax hikes that would mostly affect those who are financially insecure but everyone knows even if the lawmakers don't meet the january first headline they can pass measures retroactive
created this cliff situation when they failed to agree on a budget that would help the country reduce its deficit and its your mongers debt and what they did was what they usually do they put off those important decisions and full circle deadline that deadline is now so we came up with this theory word cliff to create lots of drama around what should be the ordinary maybe somewhat boring were. working process of any congress or telamon that is to agree on a budget the need to deadlines so the...
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had it been part of the year is that in two thousand and eight and i ask of course because our budget deficit is still knowledge and then the average here is a country that is i think we've been part of the euro zone we would have been in the worst position because we didn't wouldn't have our own currency and we wouldn't have our own central bank and also you know i have to say is the person that had to take a decision as to whether or we should stop the banking system collapse i could take that decision consulting with the prime minister and we did it overnight if we did bob you reserve my guess is going on i would still be asking the question and discussing it no i don't i i just despair of the score off it decision making in the euro zone or inability in greece for example after two years to come to something that looks like it's credible it's going to stick and we have had our in currency for and we've seen a thirty percent depreciation in standing over. reason is why then have we been unable to export our way out of trouble i think is partly because of the depressed state of the world ec
had it been part of the year is that in two thousand and eight and i ask of course because our budget deficit is still knowledge and then the average here is a country that is i think we've been part of the euro zone we would have been in the worst position because we didn't wouldn't have our own currency and we wouldn't have our own central bank and also you know i have to say is the person that had to take a decision as to whether or we should stop the banking system collapse i could take...
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had it been part of the year is that in two thousand and eight and i ask of course because our budget deficit is still larger than the average euro zone countries is i think we've been part of the euro zone we would have been a worse position because we didn't wouldn't have our own currency and we wouldn't have our own central bank and also you know i. probably should have stopped. have we been unable to export our way out of trouble i think is partly because of the depressed state of the world economy you know we sell a lot to america and america's growing but at a pretty low rate look at the euro zone where half of what we produce goes the eurozone is in recession and you know that ok the germans are doing a little bit better than that but it's not surprising you know if you've got this sort of don't term that you don't automatically get the benefit you would expect but you know there's been a lot of discussion in britain by rebalancing the economy you know that's fine but it's very difficult to do it when that economy is in recession what do you make of the current debate about changing ou
had it been part of the year is that in two thousand and eight and i ask of course because our budget deficit is still larger than the average euro zone countries is i think we've been part of the euro zone we would have been a worse position because we didn't wouldn't have our own currency and we wouldn't have our own central bank and also you know i. probably should have stopped. have we been unable to export our way out of trouble i think is partly because of the depressed state of the world...
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we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we still have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth. how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody is talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. and keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our defense department, but they also have an impact on things like head start. so there are some programs scheduled to be cut that we're using an ax instead of a scalpel. may not always be the smartest cuts. and so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of. and i want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are being threatened for next month, those a
we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we still have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth. how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody is talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into...
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the ability to fund the deficit goes on without much hiccup at all. we're still paying low rates for borrowing. 1.7%. all those predictions were -- >> they were playing ridiculously low rates in greece too. it's a dollar bubble. it's a treasury bond bubble. will it burst in 2013? maybe. it's going to burst eventually. it has to burst. >> peter, it's not a model. it's not a model to say something bad will happen eventually. >> your model about being a pollyanna and having your head in the sand -- >> it's not. >> how did you miss the financial crisis? >> i have no idea what you're talking about, peter. i have no idea what you're talking about. i was one of the first reporters to report on the housing and the mortgage crisis. i'll show you the clips. >> you were one of the guys laughing on me when i was report -- >> like a lot of what you say is ridiculous. >> guys, guys. [ overlapping speakers ] >> time-out. >> something bad will happen eventually, peter. >> time-out guys. i have a question for you peter. you're predicting currency crisis and significan
the ability to fund the deficit goes on without much hiccup at all. we're still paying low rates for borrowing. 1.7%. all those predictions were -- >> they were playing ridiculously low rates in greece too. it's a dollar bubble. it's a treasury bond bubble. will it burst in 2013? maybe. it's going to burst eventually. it has to burst. >> peter, it's not a model. it's not a model to say something bad will happen eventually. >> your model about being a pollyanna and having your...
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i want it to go for deficit reduction. but that's not what we're hearing. >> the sequestration delay that republicans would like to see a 30-day delay. take it to the march deadline for the debt limit. the democrats want to go further out. what would you accept? >> the sequestration was signed into law by the president 18 months ago. it takes effect january 2nd. it was an important part of the last debt limit discussion. there's no way in the world that you can play that forward to the next debt limit discussion. that just doesn't work. the sequestration has to go forward as it is written as the president signed into law. remember all of this, the tax piece, the sequestration and don't forget obama care taxes, all of those were things signed by the president. clearly he wanted this scenario, or he wouldn't have signed those pieces of legislation. >> i would like to push a bit more on bill's previous question about tax hikes. because if i'm not wrong and do correct me if i'm wrong, you have said before that you would not vo
i want it to go for deficit reduction. but that's not what we're hearing. >> the sequestration delay that republicans would like to see a 30-day delay. take it to the march deadline for the debt limit. the democrats want to go further out. what would you accept? >> the sequestration was signed into law by the president 18 months ago. it takes effect january 2nd. it was an important part of the last debt limit discussion. there's no way in the world that you can play that forward to...
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deficit reduction seems like a fair way to approach that. there are millions more people than available jobs. host: george zornick, thank you. late night for you. guest: i spent more time on new year's eve that i would have cared to. host: thank you for getting up early. next up, the conservative perspective from charles hurt. first a news update. >> john boehner is not endorsing the agreement on the so-called fiscal cliff. he has promised to vote on it right away. he is expected to encounter opposition. one camp earlier said, "it's three strikes in my book and i will be voting no on this bill." the legislation would impose a hardship and fall short on addressing the need in spending. president obama praised the agreements. coats to place on the other side of the capital on issues other than the so-called fiscal cliff. -- votes took place on the other side of the capital. extra cash for the fight against al qaeda and the fight against foreign governments trying to spy on the united states. mike rogers said the bill holds personnel levels at
deficit reduction seems like a fair way to approach that. there are millions more people than available jobs. host: george zornick, thank you. late night for you. guest: i spent more time on new year's eve that i would have cared to. host: thank you for getting up early. next up, the conservative perspective from charles hurt. first a news update. >> john boehner is not endorsing the agreement on the so-called fiscal cliff. he has promised to vote on it right away. he is expected to...
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explain we'll just wait till next year and they thought it would go up quite a bit further but the deficit ran up so much faster than anticipated will take care of it tomorrow and that's all the politicians in the u.s. or anywhere to they're not proactive they're not problem solvers they don't care about you and all they care about is their own little power and you know let the rest of the world be damped merican doesn't understand why his country by the world economy is going down the drain all they know is class warfare which is what. the administration wants that the banks are getting rich and they're getting poorer they don't understand why any of this is happening so for the average american they're going to pay some more taxes but the average americans in fear of losing his job and losing everything that he's worked this whole life for and he doesn't have a clue why. but our own economic expert max kaiser has also given us his forecast on how the financial winds will blow in twenty thirty the fiscal cliff is just more of fear from bankers and politicians trying to distract people fro
explain we'll just wait till next year and they thought it would go up quite a bit further but the deficit ran up so much faster than anticipated will take care of it tomorrow and that's all the politicians in the u.s. or anywhere to they're not proactive they're not problem solvers they don't care about you and all they care about is their own little power and you know let the rest of the world be damped merican doesn't understand why his country by the world economy is going down the drain...
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and that would still leave an $800 billion deficit. we can not tax away the deficit. gregg: sure we can. we can do the value-added tax. >> well, and that's what worries me. if we don't cut spending, spending right now, the federal government is the largest it has ever been as a share of our economy. it takes up more of our economy than ever, the only way to pay for it is to put in a european-style value-added tax. which means every american, everyone, the lower income, the middle income, the high income, would pay, say 20% on every item they purchase, every item, to the federal government. that is what the europeans do to afford these big governments. gregg: what would it do? >> say that again? gregg: what would it do? >> that, that what would happen is, we were turn into europe. we all see it. we see greece, and spain and italy, and france. they all grow slow of the they have extremely high unemployment rates. we would have a slow economy and high unemployment forever if we taxed ourselves like that. gregg: all right. >> this idea that somehow you can't tax the middl
and that would still leave an $800 billion deficit. we can not tax away the deficit. gregg: sure we can. we can do the value-added tax. >> well, and that's what worries me. if we don't cut spending, spending right now, the federal government is the largest it has ever been as a share of our economy. it takes up more of our economy than ever, the only way to pay for it is to put in a european-style value-added tax. which means every american, everyone, the lower income, the middle income,...